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To Christians Easter may be about a man on a cross, but to non-believers it is the celebration of an age old folk festival,  a celebration of the warmth, light, fertility and new growth of spring  - and this is still evident in the eating of chocolate Easter eggs  - and rabbits on cards. In Pre Christian times it was celebrated by Pagans and  represented by female goddesses such as Ostara and  Eostre all over Europe. When Christians arrived they took it over as part of their calendar of rituals There are many websites on the real origins of Easter.

 

 Cards such as the one above are available on request at meetings see GREETINGS CARDS

 


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Recent Items

On the radio recently there was a discussion on aphorisms so I googled - atheist aphorisms and found this glorious list of 50 top atheist aphorisms

Jean Meslier - 'The Last Priest' - or the First Atheist ?

.......was the subject of the February meeting. A DVD was made of a new play about his extraordinary life and death. He was a French priest who was so guilt ridden that he had misled his peasant congregation during his lifetime, by not admitting to them that he had come to the conclusion that his religion was a sham, and its only purpose was to keep them subservient to the aristocracy, the court and the church. See here for his story

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An excellent new booklet, this time produced by the BHA on

The Case for Secularism:a neutral state in an open society.

 

 

That so few people know that secularism stands for freedom of religion and freedom from religion, within a neutral secular (not-religious) state is an indictment of our biased education system that excludes  humanist concepts Available from the BHA

 


Campaign Issues

 

Education:-

 

Education should be about teaching children to think for themselves and they have a right to honest and objective teaching in all subjects.

 

At a Special Meeting  last year we discussed the worrying attempts by Islamists and fundamentalist, evangelical Christians  to reintroduce Religious Instruction in which they can promote their beliefs in schools state schools.

We tried sending  letters  to the heads of 10 Bromley Secondary Schools in the hope of encouraging them to include a humanist perspective in 'religious education' a copy can be seen here - Heads Letter -  Enclosed was a copy of our 'Values of Humanism'   -

Not one of them even bothered to reply!

See Campaign for Secular Education - for honest and objective RE

Bob Dixon is a local peace activist writer and poet. He researched and wrote three books on the influence of toys, games & books  on instilling in children the stereotypes and  attitudes  of class, gender, religion, race and aggression. This will be the topic for our November Meeting (see programme)


 

Peace Activism

 

See more on Secularism in the Peace Movement

Secular Peace Workshop included The role of woman and Peace Poetry

 

 

 

 

Member Ann Garrett stood as Green candidate at  the last election. She  is  a committed member of Bromley and Beckenham CND, Amnesty International  and Chair of Bromley Peace Council see above.

and member of Amnesty International, for whom we host websites.

 


Women's Equality and Reproductive Rights

 

We support organisations and campaigns against  violence and coercion of women in the family, the workplace and on the streets

 

Keeping early safe termination of unwanted pregnancy

'Every Child a Wanted Child' & 'A Woman's Right to Choose'

 

Letter on the latest attack on Abortion Rights by Catholics on the anniversary of the Abortion Act 1967

We should praise women for not having children against their better rudiment of what is right for them and their families. Massive populated growth. poverty and unwanted children are a threat to we can do without..

 

 


 

Other Issues

Getting rid of the Blasphemy laws - Support for voluntary euthanasia legislation - Animal welfare - Any issues where social policy and the law are shaped by religion e.g. discrimination against non-believers, on employment and equal opportunities - media - scouts & guides, and support for mothers and children as citizens. Privileges given to religions such as special representation and ' special rights' on  consultative bodies such as the EU and UN. and financial subsidies from the public purse.


 

The Work of Local Writers

 

Do Humanists Need the Concept of Evil? Three Essays

Submissions to the SPES (South Place Ethical Society) Prize Essay Competition, 2007

 

1)  DO HUMANISTS NEED THE CONCEPT OF EVIL? by Penelope Edwards,

2) DO HUMANISTS NEED THE CONCEPT OF EVIL? by John Edwards

3) DELIVER US FROM EVIL!  Barbara Smoker

 

 

Atheist Perspectives on Education, Health and Welfare, Sexuality and understanding Belief - and the way the religions make false claims and seek to impose their attitudes and teaching that affect us all.

 

Our Information Leaflets:-

 

f you want to see our stance in a nutshell, you may like to see the leaflet that we have written to help you with a thumbnail sketch of our philosophy:-

 

What is Secular Humanism?

Secularism and Secular humanism in the Peace Movement

Women, Religion and Peace

 

'Catching them Young' and 'Playing them false' by Bob Dixon published in 1976 &1992 but already out of print, but on-line here

 


About the Bromley Group                  

'Bromley Humanists' are affiliated to:-

British Humanist Association (BHA)

National Secular Society (NSS)

    This is a small friendly group of people committed to ensuring that non-believers views are heard in a world where sectarianism is rife. Meetings or Seminars are held every second Tuesday of the month with speakers and discussions on a wide range of subjects of interest to humanists, members of the general public are most welcome. We like robust argument on both politics and religion from an atheist perspective.

    We have a small collection of books and CDs for members to borrow or buy, including 'Secularism in the Peace Movement' and 'The Role of Religion in Education'.

    We like to see members and friends whenever they are free on meeting evenings, but we do appreciate that members are also active in many other fields of work and organisations.      

Social gatherings are held on an occasional basis for members and friends.

Humanists support Bromley Peace Council, and many other non sectarian organisations, pressure groups, and leisure groups such as the U3A, community groups, political parties and trade unions. We meet to discuss issues of particular interest to secular humanists and contribute to local and national organisations. An example of the latter being the Voluntary Euthanasia Society.

Politically humanists support 'green' issues and policies that encourage fair trade, care for the environment and care for the fair treatment for minorities and the people of developing countries, we are against sectarianism in any form. We are particularly forthright in our opposition to any form of publicly enforced religious activity which excludes those are not religious.

 


    Second Tuesday, Friends Meeting House, Ravensbourne Road, Bromley 8p.m -10 p.m. good public transport, parking available. (See Map below)

    Most of our meetings are discussions around a theme, often researched and introduced by members. As well as discussions on specific topics, we are always open to general discussions on the nature of humanism, secularism and all aspects of non-belief.

    THIS IS THE 2008 PROGRAMME

Jan - social meetup in Bromley

Feb. - 'The Last Priest - DVD on Jean Meselier' - Sue


March 11 -  'Relativism'  - or is morality fixed from ancient texts and unchanging?  Alan

April 8  - 'Moral Dilemmas' - dealing with them without gods, priests & scriptures - Don

May  13 - 'Anarchism - Is it Chaos?' or a viable political option? - Dennis

June 10 - 'Why we should welcome a debate on 'Intelligent Design?' - Collin

July 8 - Members AGM  &  Programme Ideas & Book Sale

Aug. - TBA

Sept. 9  -'Peace and the Progressive Movements' - Ann

Oct. 14   - 'DNA & Human Nature' -  A fascinating subject from a humanist and political point of view - Graham

Nov.11  - 'The Battle for Children's Minds' - Discussion & Reviews John & Sue from Bob Dixon's books Catching them Young & Playing them False

Dec. 9 - 'What IS a Kool Yule?'- On the real meaning of Xmas as an ancient folk festival.

You can check up-to-date information on the contacts below: -

 

 
Contacts

‘phone 01959 574691

e-mail slhg.adm@freeuk.com

www.slhg.adm.freeuk.com

 

The Group has no hierarchy and is run by the members who share the duties.

Chair - Asad Abas

 

 

Bromley Humanists are affiliated to:-

British Humanist Association (BHA)

National Secular Society (NSS)

 

BromleyMap

Friends Meeting House

Ravensbourne Rd.

Bromley South

A few minutes walk from Bromley South Station


Archive of some older items

  • College Chat Show - Questions answered

  • Oxford Union Debate - Should we respect religion

  • Barbara Smoker Honoured in Paris

  • Bromley Peace Council - Hiroshima Day 2005

    Secular Humanists campaign for peace and support the work of the Bromley Peace Council  the Peace One Day organisation and Amnesty International - Bromley branch

    In 2005 Husain Ahmed,  reported on his return to Pakistan, where he joined with other noted rationalist colleagues to  found the Rationalist Association of Pakistan. In any rational modern country interested in promoting peace and opposing terrorism, this would be treated as world news!

    Last year he  met Canadian Muslim writer Irshad Manji when she spoke in London advocating an Islamic reform movement. This is the nearest to  'independent thinking' for reform minded Muslims - Her book The Trouble with Islam is being  published in Turkey, Iraq and India. Unfortunately in doing so she appears to have a 'blind spot' when it comes to the Israel and Palestine issue.

    Bookmarks for you to print off and use to advertise us.   Can also be bought  - by the page- at the meetings - (money over and above the cost to ' Ad-fund') Click Here


                  Len on his 100th Birthday with his 'medal'  enjoying the joke

Our last President Louis Leonard died at the age of 104.

While sad for those who knew him, local humanists his grand-daughter and his many friends with whom he lived at the nursing home in which he had been  so well looked after for so many years, it was something he himself had looked forward to.

He was a grand old man, and one of Bromley's oldest residents . He was 104 years old, and although his mental faculties were unimpaired, and delightful  sense of humour remained as infectious as ever, he hated the loss of his mobility and especially the loss of his hearing (he was a professional musician, loved music and  taught the Violin). He enjoyed  nothing more than a party.

Len, as you might expect had discussed what he wanted in the way of 'ceremony' on his death with Denis Cobell who conducted an informal  memorial, hosted by the staff at the home in which he lived and was so happy for the last 15 years of his life. Heather, the now retired owner after whom the home is named regaled us with many fond examples of Len's character and humour. Many of his friends as well as his Grand-daughter were present to express  their love and respect. The word most often used was that he was a Gentle Man.


    The "Millennium Hall of Fame" which was about many of the significant people, past and present was instigated and carried out by BHS in conjunction with the Borough of Bromley Central Library staff. This proved highly successful thanks to the considerable amount of work put into it by our members.
     

    Diana Elvin worked tirelessly to ensure a Humanist and Atheist/Agnostic contribution into Bromley's Patients Charter booklet on: 'Respect for privacy, dignity and religious and cultural belief' by representing us on the Oakhill Trust who produced it.


    I n September we put on a display at Farnborough Fair, using Sutton Group's display boards by Peter Heales. Our stand attracted several supporters and others who took leaflets and bought books. The photographs show those of us who were free to help on the day.

    Given the other commitments of members and the escalating cost  for what we decided was of very limited value,  we decided not to have a stand this year.

     

 
    What is Secular Humanism?
    Secular Humanists do not believe in the existence of any god or gods who direct or influence human minds or the world at large. No afterlife, no heaven, no hell; when you're dead and gone you're dead and gone! Life is for living now, and the happier and healthier it can be for everyone so much the better.
    It is understandable that beliefs in gods, and the rite and ritual of the religions that were built around them, would have arisen in the early development of human beings whose lives were so closely dependent on the vagaries of the natural world.
    With the benefit of hindsight it can be seen that much evil has been perpetrated in the name of religion, crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts, genocide and war. And today it causes conflict (directly or indirectly); and contributes to; makes worse, or prevents, rational, negotiated solutions to political problems. It is involved in conflict around the world, and causes personal and family strife. Prejudice and discrimination causes unhappiness, ill treatment and death in many countries around the world today.
    The rise of Secular Humanism over the last hundred years, with its moral, rational, humanitarian approach to life, and the rejection of superstition has enabled progress on many fronts - political, scientific, and intellectual. Women can be fully educated and trained, they can vote and participate in the decision making of government and administration. Gays do not have to hide their sexuality in most areas of life now. Women can control how many children they have, and infertile couples can have children thanks to scientific advances.
    Secular Humanists challenge the doctrines that prevent the use of condoms in HIV/AIDS and population control. Most support moves to allow carefully controlled voluntary euthanasia; promote sound sustainable environmental policies, fair trade, and rational treatment of offenders, and campaign for peace. We are against sectarian schools and biased teaching of religion, and against all forms of animal cruelty, and many are vegetarian or vegan.
    If you are a secular humanist and want to make contact with the local group ring 01959 574691 or see - www.slhg.adm.freeuk.com

What is Secular Humanism?

South London Humanist Groups Homepage

 

 

Members Library

Conditions of Loan - We ask for a deposit or donation so that in the event of default  we can replace lost items.

Books ~ CDs~ DVDs~ Leaflets

Books:-

By Barbara Smoker:-

Blackham's Best - Excerpts from  Harold Blackham's writings

Freethoughts - on Atheism, Humanism and Secularism

Humanism 4th Edition  by Barbara Smoker

Modern Humanism - Living without religion Hobson & Jenkins

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Separation of religion and state - IHEU 166h World Humanist Congress  - Edited by  Federation Nationale de la Libre Pense

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Our Pagan Christmas by RJ Condon Forward by Barbara Smoker

By Leslie Scrase

Coping with Death -

'Conversations' -  between an Atheist and a Christian 

'One Man's Pilgrimage'-

          from Christian Ministry to Outright Atheism 

By A.Shaw :-

'The Role of Religion in Education' -   as used to promote religion and its attitudes

'A Challenge to Religion on Health ' - Religion has nothing to brag about. on health and welfare.

'A Theory of Belief - based on physiology and psychological techniques used to instill beliefs

'Illicit Sex and the God Machine'  - on the effects of religious distorted attitudes to sexuality

By Sue Mayer:-

Transience - the verses of a woman freethinker

CD's

Sam Harris at 'Idea City 2005'

'Favorite Neighborhood Atheist' songs by Dan Barker

'Relativism' Melvin Bragg's In our Time

The Role of Religion in Education (24 min)

Secularism in the Peace Movement (13 min)

 

Dads

"Intelligent Design" - Richard Dawkins introduced by David Attenborough

The Root of all Evil - complete series - Richard Dawkins

A Rough History of Disbelief - three part series by Jonathan Miller

The God Who Wasn't There - Brian Flemming

The Enemies of Reason - Richard Dawkins 2007

Leaflets to read or copy

What is Secular Humanism?

Secularism and Secular humanism in the Peace Movement

Women, Religion and Peace

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1967  - 2007 Abortion Law 40th Anniversary

Every Child a Wanted Child and A Woman's Right to Choose

Safe, Early termination of unwanted pregnancy

This is the 40th anniversary of the 1967 Abortion Act, and arch Catholics, Scottish Cardinal Keith O'Brien and Welsh Archbishop Peter Smith launched  inflammatory attacks on 'Women's Right to Choose' - threatening Catholic MPs who supported the reform, that saved many women's lives and side effects of 'back-street abortions. Using emotive language, they called the termination of unwanted pregnancies 'murder', "wanton killing of the innocents", and a 'social evil' - copying the fanatical and violent American Evangelical anti-abortionists.

In response Sue Mayer writes:-

The number of abortions may represent a failure of contraception in some cases, but it does not represent moral failure. We should be grateful that women choose not to have children they do not want, and cannot look after.

The majority of women who have abortions are not just feckless young singles, but are already mothers and only they know what is best for themselves and their families.

And even if some were careless or drunk at conception, unwanted pregnancy and motherhood, with the associated problems of smoking and drinking alcohol around conception and early pregnancy, lone parenthood, unhappy relationships and poverty and stigma is no answer. This scenario should never be seen as a punishment for careless sex.

[The patriarchal religions have always, and still do use the fear of unwanted pregnancy and motherhood (and STD’s) to deter all forms of what they think of as ‘illicit’ sex - for single people & homosexuals. It has been seen as a (punishment, to enforce compliance with its teaching that sex is only OK within heterosexual, marriage, for the procreation of children and not for pleasure. Attitudes that are still at the root of prejudice and have caused immense human suffering. – "You’ve made your bed now you must lie on it" ]

The religious might note that for every induced abortion, there are millions of natural ones, many of which do not go smoothly, presumably as part of ‘God’s plan’.

Safe, early abortion of unwanted pregnancies with the help and support of family, friends and doctors, ensure that they will have an unwanted pregnancy terminated and move on without lifelong guilt and the problems of lone parenthood for mothers and children? And when perhaps in due course they wish to become pregnant, infertility due to infection from ‘back-street’ abortions will not prevent this as the did in the past in Britain, and still do in many parts of the world.

Every effort should be made to ease what are often very difficult decisions, delay results in later and more difficult abortions. Increased pressure can make a women feel stigmatised and guilty, feelings that are quite unnecessary and unproductive – yet they are constantly being put forward in the media, as the inevitable result of an abortion, adding further pressure at what can be a difficult time.

In any conflict between the interests of an embryo or a foetus and an adult woman the decision to terminate a pregnancy must be taken without undue pressure, for or against, by the woman concerned.

The constant pressure from anti-abortion campaigners could be seen by some as marginal, in rich developed countries such as ours, though over-population affects us all, (especially if there is an influx of Catholics to exert pulpit pressure on politicians).

But with the world population due to increase from the present 6.5 Billion to 9.1 Billion by 2050 (2.5 Billion people in 43 years, according to official UN Estimates*) and the current problems of global warming and climate change, as developing countries try to deal with the poverty of their people, population control should concern everyone, rich and poor, East and West, North and South.

The activities of the so-called ‘pro-lifers’ who campaign against contraception, abortion and condom use, at UN and local level, are by no means marginal. Because of the Vatican’s ‘special status’ at the UN, and in the EU, and the pressure from the Evangelical Christian ‘moral majority’ in the U.S, they have been successful in cutting the funding of UN health and population programmes and archbishops and Catholics at local level use their influence to prevent contraception, abortion and condom use, in countries where it is most needed.

Britain has struggled to progress from the traditional, irrational and punitive attitudes, not least on human sexual matters, towards more rational and humanitarian attitudes and practices.

The freedom to make life-changing decisions on rational humanitarian grounds does not affect those who do not want that freedom. But the fact that so many women do, including many Catholics and women who come from countries where it is not available, shows how determined women are to make what they see as sensible choices.

Remaining campaigning should be political – in addressing the problems of poverty, housing, sex education and limited expectations that can distort the real motives and intentions of some women around unwanted pregnancy and lone parenthood.

* http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/pop918.doc.htm

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